{"id":14014,"date":"2023-03-21T02:48:22","date_gmt":"2023-03-21T01:48:22","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.graviton.at\/letterswaplibrary\/the-diversionary-tactic-of-plant-pain-by-ted-wayn-altar-december-18-1992\/"},"modified":"2023-03-21T02:48:22","modified_gmt":"2023-03-21T01:48:22","slug":"the-diversionary-tactic-of-plant-pain-by-ted-wayn-altar-december-18-1992","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.graviton.at\/letterswaplibrary\/the-diversionary-tactic-of-plant-pain-by-ted-wayn-altar-december-18-1992\/","title":{"rendered":"The Diversionary Tactic Of Plant Pain, By Ted Wayn Altar (December 18, 1992)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Newsgroups: rec.food.veg<br \/>\nFrom: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar)<br \/>\nSubject: Plant Pain<br \/>\nMessage-ID:<br \/>\nSender: news@sfu.ca<br \/>\nOrganization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada<br \/>\nDate: Fri, 18 Dec 1992 16:54:17 GMT<br \/>\nLines: 389<\/p>\n<p>[This document contains both parts concatenated.]<\/p>\n<p>I see that the old chestnut of &#8220;plant pain&#8221; has again been<br \/>\ninvoked.  Apparently, this is a common argument and so, dear<br \/>\nreader, permit me to re-post an older message of mine that<br \/>\nattempts to address this issue in a discursive, but also<br \/>\nhumourous manner.<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\tHappy Holiday Season,<\/p>\n<p>\t\t\t\t          ted<\/p>\n<p>           THE DIVERSIONARY TACTIC OF PLANT PAIN<\/p>\n<p>                         TED ALTAR<\/p>\n<p>A.  HOW MIGHT CHARLES DARWIN RESPOND?<\/p>\n<p> With respect to this extravagant debate on plant pain we<br \/>\nhave at hand a most promiscuous adjoining of some verified<br \/>\nfacts with improper inferences.  This reminds me of a story<br \/>\n(probably apocryphal as are so many of the best anecdotes)<br \/>\nabout Charles Darwin who in his later years was the guest of<br \/>\na family whose two boys approached him with a clever<br \/>\ndeception.  Using some old desiccated specimens of insects,<br \/>\nthey had deftly attached the wings of a butterfly, the head<br \/>\nof a beetle and the legs of a grasshopper to the body of a<br \/>\ncentipede.  &#8220;We have this strange bug we caught some time<br \/>\nago&#8221; they innocently said, &#8220;Can you tell us what it might<br \/>\nbe?&#8221;  Darwin squinted and examined it as best he could and<br \/>\nasked, &#8220;Can you remember if it hummed when you caught it?&#8221;<br \/>\nhe asked in all seriousness.  Without smirking, the boys<br \/>\nanswered yes, whereupon Darwin replied, &#8220;Just as I thought,<br \/>\nit is a humbug!&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>B.  THE SPECIOUS INFERENCE OF PLANT PAIN.<\/p>\n<p>No doubt we all have been amazed by much &#8220;humbug&#8221; on this<br \/>\nconference, but maybe no greater example is to be given than<br \/>\nthat of &#8220;plant pain&#8221;.  Those whose common sense remains<br \/>\nintact will have no difficulty in accepting as sufficient<br \/>\nthe following:<\/p>\n<p>     1.  Our best science to date shows that plants lack any<br \/>\n    semblance of a central nervous system or any other system<br \/>\n    design for such complex capacities as that of a conscious<br \/>\n    suffering from felt pain.<\/p>\n<p>    2.  Plants simply have no evolutionary need to feel pain.<br \/>\n    Animals being mobile would benefit from the ability to sense<br \/>\n    pain; plants would not.  Nature does not create gratuitously<br \/>\n    such complex capacities as that of feeling pain unless there<br \/>\n    should be some benefit for the organism&#8217;s survival.<\/p>\n<p>Well, as Oliver Goldsmith realistically observed, &#8220;Every<br \/>\nabsurdity has its champions to defend it&#8221;.   And yes, we<br \/>\nhave some defenders who would ignore common sense and argue<br \/>\nfor plant pain.  Remarkable!.  But maybe not so remarkable<br \/>\nif we keep in mind the motivation for such humbug.  The<br \/>\nfollowing argument has repeated been voiced against the<br \/>\nconcern of us who would forward greater regard for the<br \/>\nwoefully neglected and grievous suffering of those sentient<br \/>\ncreatures who cannot defend, nor articulate in words, their<br \/>\nplight.  The following `reductio ad absurdum&#8217; is supposed to<br \/>\nsuffice as an irrefutable trashing of animal rights.<\/p>\n<p> Premise(1)   If a sentient being can consciously experience<br \/>\n             pain and suffering, then it is wrong to inflict<br \/>\n             pain &amp; suffering on such a sentient being<br \/>\n Premise(2)    Plants are sentient beings that can experience<br \/>\n              pain &amp; suffering<br \/>\n Conclusion:  It is wrong to inflict pain &amp; suffering on plants.<\/p>\n<p>In order to challenge the acceptability of premise(1), the<br \/>\nanti-AR would have us believe that such a premise<br \/>\nineluctably leads to the absurd conclusion as stated above.<br \/>\nIn order to achieve this coup de grace of animal rights, the<br \/>\nanti-AR who would give little or no coin to premise (1),<br \/>\nwould instead introduce the claims of premise(2) as somehow<br \/>\n&#8220;scientifically established&#8221;.  In order to debunk animal<br \/>\nrights as foolish, the anti-AR would first have us believe<br \/>\nin the reality of &#8220;plant pain&#8221;.  Hence, they would attempt<br \/>\nto bury AR into a hole but ironically by first bulldozing a<br \/>\nmuch deeper one for themselves.<\/p>\n<p>E.  &#8220;EVERY ABSURDITY HAS ITS CHAMPIONS TO DEFEND IT&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>You say that I am merely spinning my wheels on a straw man?<br \/>\nThen permit me to quote from two of the most loquacious and<br \/>\narticulate promoters of plant &#8220;pain&#8221; on this conference.<\/p>\n<p>Poster A would bait us with the following argument, an<br \/>\nargument that presumably he still holds as having merit by<br \/>\nvirtue of his repeated postings of this worn polemic:<\/p>\n<p> AR:   &#8220;You&#8217;re crude and unfeeling; you&#8217;d probably laugh<br \/>\n          at your mother&#8217;s  death.&#8221;<br \/>\n non-AR: &#8220;That&#8217;s silly, my mother is a human.  A deer isn&#8217;t.&#8221;<br \/>\n AR:   &#8220;Deer can suffer, and so do cattle&#8230;so I don&#8217;t eat meat.&#8221;<br \/>\n non-AR: &#8220;You apparently have no problem killing plants, though.&#8221;<br \/>\n AR:   &#8220;It&#8217;s not the same.  Plants aren&#8217;t animals.&#8221;<br \/>\n non-AR: &#8220;You&#8217;re killing a living thing for food, nevertheless.&#8221;<br \/>\n AR:   &#8220;But it can&#8217;t feel; it&#8217;s not sentient; it has no nervous<br \/>\n           system.&#8221;<br \/>\n non-AR: &#8220;Does dissimilarity rule out &#8216;pain&#8217;?&#8221;<br \/>\n AR:   &#8220;Yes.&#8221;<br \/>\n non-AR: &#8220;That&#8217;s completely illogical and unscientific.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Note how Poster A would invoke the authority of logic and<br \/>\nscience as &#8220;completely&#8221; on his side.  Next, consider the<br \/>\nassertions of Poster B:<\/p>\n<p>     As a plant molecular biologist with quite a few<br \/>\n     refereed papers on the subject of cellular<br \/>\n     communication in plants, please allow me to debunk the<br \/>\n     unsubstantiated mythology described above.  Plants have<br \/>\n     no *need* to feel pain?  Ridiculous.<\/p>\n<p>      When a plant is attacked by an herbivorous insect,<br \/>\n     might it not be in the best interest of the plant to<br \/>\n     mobilize its chemical defenses in other parts of the<br \/>\n     plant in anticipation of further insect attack?  When a<br \/>\n     leaf is infected by a pathogenic fungus, might the rest<br \/>\n     of the plant wish to bolster its chemical and enzymatic<br \/>\n     defenses against the spread of the pathogen?  News<br \/>\n     flash &#8212; the plant *would* benefit, hence the<br \/>\n     development of a systemic (throughout the plant)<br \/>\n     response to local tissue damage by herbivores and<br \/>\n     pathogens. (Many) references available upon request.<br \/>\n     It might easily be argued that *because* plants can&#8217;t<br \/>\n     move they need effective chemical defenses and<br \/>\n     effective detection and communication. This is the<br \/>\n     case.  You may doubt the sensory and integrative<br \/>\n     abilities of plants, so I invite you to spend a few<br \/>\n     weeks in my lab and learn the truth.  Plants don&#8217;t have<br \/>\n     nerves, since they don&#8217;t share a particularly recent<br \/>\n     common ancestor with animals.  Plants feel tissue<br \/>\n     injury and respond quickly, precisely, and with an<br \/>\n     effective battery of defenses.  They don&#8217;t feel *like<br \/>\n     us*, but it would be a mistake to say that they *don&#8217;t<br \/>\n     feel*.<\/p>\n<p>Here we have the authority of logic, science and &#8220;truth&#8221;<br \/>\nbeing imprecated against the sorry state of AR nescience and<br \/>\n&#8220;mythology&#8221;.  Yet, no single published book, or paper in a<br \/>\nscientific journal, has been cited as indeed making this<br \/>\nclaim that &#8220;plants feel pain&#8221;.  Sure, there is interesting<br \/>\nevidence about plants reacting to local tissue damage and<br \/>\neven sending signalling molecules serving to stimulate<br \/>\ncertain chemical defenses of nearby plants.  But what has<br \/>\nthis got to do with supporting the only morally relevant<br \/>\nclaim worth considering, namely that &#8220;plants FEEL AND SUFFER<br \/>\nfrom pain&#8221;?  Where are the scientific references for this<br \/>\nputative fact?<\/p>\n<p>  Now, dear reader, please be patient with my indulgence to<br \/>\ndevelop a reasoned reply to such assertive and authoritative<br \/>\npronouncements about plant pain.<\/p>\n<p>C.  A REDUCTIO ON A REDUCTIO<\/p>\n<p>Although the plant pain promoters are fond of reductios,<br \/>\nthey will not likely appreciate the following extension of<br \/>\ntheir own.  By their &#8220;logic&#8221;, it would equally be the case<br \/>\nthat rain clouds behave purposefully in the sense that they<br \/>\ncould be said to functionally remove, by way of raining,<br \/>\nexcessive moisture that is causing their overstaturation.<br \/>\nFurthermore, rain clouds bear meaningful information about<br \/>\ntheir level of oversaturation in the form of weight relative<br \/>\nto volume.  Do not clouds, therefore, &#8220;sense&#8221; (in some<br \/>\ntortured notion of the word) when atmospheric pressure is<br \/>\ninsufficient for their moisture content to remain in a<br \/>\nvaporous state?  The promoters of plant pain would have us<br \/>\nbelieve, against our good common sense, that by the mere<br \/>\npresence of purposive BEHAVIOURS of avoidance and REACTIONS<br \/>\nto tissue damage in plants we therefore must attribute to<br \/>\nplants mental states like that of some kind of &#8220;felt pain&#8221;.<br \/>\nWell, then by the same logic we must do the same to clouds.<br \/>\nIn the hole that these promoters of plant pain would dig for<br \/>\nthemselves, not only must we accept the thesis of plant<br \/>\npain, we would also have to swallow some notion of &#8220;cloud<br \/>\nsentience&#8221;!<\/p>\n<p>D.  THE BEHAVIOURAL INFERENCE OF MENTAL STATES<\/p>\n<p>Lest we forget the ultimate point of what follows, let us<br \/>\nnot forget the central thesis of AR.  Simply stated: to the<br \/>\nextent other animals share with us, at least to some degree,<br \/>\ncertain morally relevant attributes, then to that extent we<br \/>\ncannot ignore, for the purposes of consistency or justice,<br \/>\ngiving due regard and concern towards those animals.  Two<br \/>\nattributes that are arguably relevant are:<\/p>\n<p>     1. our commonly shared interest in the avoidance of<br \/>\n     pain and suffering.<\/p>\n<p>     2. and the quality of other animals also being<br \/>\n     subjects-of-a-life which matters to them as to how such<br \/>\n     a life fares well or ill.<\/p>\n<p>Both these qualities posit other animals having certain<br \/>\nmental states.  Also note that in order to speak of &#8220;mental<br \/>\nstates&#8221; proper, we would denote, as common usage would<br \/>\ndictate, that such states are marked by consciousness.  It<br \/>\nis simply insufficient to mark off mental states by only the<br \/>\npresence of purposefulness or intentionality since many<br \/>\nobjects, like thermostats and hand calculators, possess<br \/>\npurposeful-looking behaviours or are in an information-<br \/>\nbearing state.<\/p>\n<p>Let us further observe that the attribution of morally<br \/>\nrelevant mental states to even humans was at one time an<br \/>\nissue of contention.  For example, consider the case of that<br \/>\nvery prestigious scientific apologist of his society&#8217;s<br \/>\nambient prejudices, Silas Mitchell, founder of American<br \/>\nneurology.  He claimed that civilized men suffered pain in a<br \/>\nfar more ethically relevant manner:<\/p>\n<p>     &#8220;In our process of being civilized we have won . . .<br \/>\n     intensified capacity to suffer.  The savage does not<br \/>\n     feel pain as we do&#8221; [1].<\/p>\n<p>Today, we can witness a similar prejudice that animals do<br \/>\nnot suffer pain to the same capacity as we do.  For<br \/>\ninstance, a cow after surgery will right away start eating<br \/>\ngrass, therefore it will be said that the cow cannot be<br \/>\nsuffering from post-surgery pain.  Just as with the stoic<br \/>\n&#8220;savage&#8221;, who is to say that a cow is not likewise simply<br \/>\nbearing the pain more &#8220;heroically&#8221; since, as with the non-<br \/>\ncivilized human, food is more of an imperative than moaning<br \/>\nwith pain; indeed, what else can they do?<\/p>\n<p>So then, how do we properly attribute the existence of<br \/>\nmental states to other animals, or even to ourselves for<br \/>\nthat matter, since in the past we have certainly made<br \/>\nmistakes on this score?  As we have seen, the *criterion of<br \/>\noutward functional behaviour* has been faulty with even<br \/>\nhumans.  Yet, our plant pain promoters would employ this<br \/>\nsame criterion at a different level, turn things on their<br \/>\nhead and argue that because plants react to noxious stimuli,<br \/>\nthey therefore feel pain.  Now, if the inference of pain<br \/>\nfrom overt behaviours has been faulty for attributing pain<br \/>\nwhere we now know pain most assuredly exists, then it is<br \/>\nprobably equally faulty in attributing pain where pain does<br \/>\nnot exist.  If reactions or behaviours were sufficient, then<br \/>\nwe would have to say that a mere toy doll crying and<br \/>\nwriggling, when triggered to do so by certain stimuli, was<br \/>\nindeed in pain.<\/p>\n<p>Similarly, we cannot infer the presence of felt pain simply<br \/>\nby the presence of a sub-class of behaviours which are<br \/>\nfunctional for an organism&#8217;s amelioration or avoidance of<br \/>\nnoxious stimuli.  Thermostats obviously react to thermal<br \/>\nchanges in the environment and respond in a functionally<br \/>\nappropriate manner to restore an initial &#8220;preferred&#8221; state<br \/>\nthereby maintaining an equilibrium of the status quo.  We<br \/>\nwould be dirt foolish, however, to then attribute to<br \/>\nthermostats that therefore they must &#8220;sense&#8221; or &#8220;feel&#8221; some<br \/>\nkind of &#8220;pain&#8221;.  Even warning quotes around our terms don&#8217;t<br \/>\nprotect us from such an catachrestic absurdity.<\/p>\n<p>Clearly, the behavioral criterion of even functional<br \/>\navoidance\/defense reactions, is simply not sufficient nor<br \/>\neven necessary for the proper attribution of pain as a felt<br \/>\nmental state.  This is not to say that it is completely<br \/>\nirrelevant for it can at least index the presence of pain in<br \/>\nthose creatures we already know or have good reason to<br \/>\nbelieve experience and suffer pain.  Behaviour by itself<br \/>\ndoes not index pain in our toy doll or thermostat, but<br \/>\nbehaviour does usefully index the occurrence of pain and<br \/>\nsuffering in those animals that we already have reason to<br \/>\nbelieve have the capacity to suffer.<\/p>\n<p>E.  THE RELEVANCE OF SPECIALIZED STRUCTURE<\/p>\n<p>To state the obvious, science, including the biological<br \/>\nsciences, are generally committed to the working assumption<br \/>\nof scientific materialism or physicalism [2].  Now, unless<br \/>\nthe &#8220;new&#8221; biology has returned to some arcane version of<br \/>\nvitalism or dualism, then we must start with the generally<br \/>\naccepted scientific assumption that matter is the only<br \/>\nexistent or real primordial constituent of the universe.<\/p>\n<p>Let it be said at the outset that scientific materialism as<br \/>\nsuch does not preclude the existence of emergent or<br \/>\nfunctional qualities like that of mind, consciousness, and<br \/>\nfeeling (or even, dare I say it, free will), but all such<br \/>\nqualities are dependant upon the existence of organized<br \/>\nmatter.  If there is no hardware, there is nothing for the<br \/>\nsoftware to run on.  If there is no intact, living brain,<br \/>\nthere is simply no mind.  Now, just for the record it should<br \/>\nalso be said that even contemporary versions of dualism or<br \/>\nmind-stuff theories will also make depended their embodied<br \/>\nmental states in this world on the presence of sufficiently<br \/>\norganized matter.<\/p>\n<p>To briefly state the case, what is referred to as non-<br \/>\nreductive materialism [3] would simply consider cognitive<br \/>\nfunctions like consciousness and mind as emergent properties<br \/>\nof sufficiently organized matter.  Just as breathing is a<br \/>\nfunction of a complex system of organs referred to<br \/>\naggregately as the respiratory system, so too is<br \/>\nconsciousness a function of the immensely complex<br \/>\ninformation-processing capabilities of a central nervous<br \/>\nsystem.  Now, according to such a neo-functionalist account<br \/>\nof mental states, HOW the matter is organized and in with<br \/>\nWHAT materials is not necessarily delimited to the mammalian<br \/>\nbrain.  It is possible in theory, that our Alpha Centaurians<br \/>\nwho evolved from carrots could equally instantiate some<br \/>\n&#8220;higher&#8221; functions of consciousness.  This may even be<br \/>\npossible with a future computer given a sufficiently complex<br \/>\nand orderly organization of its hardware and clever<br \/>\nsoftware.  While such a computer does not yet exist, and we<br \/>\ndon&#8217;t yet know about those Alpha Centaurians, we DO know<br \/>\nthat certain living organisms on this planet do possess the<br \/>\nrequisite complexity of specialized and highly organized<br \/>\nstructure for the emergence of mental states.<\/p>\n<p>  In theory, plants could possess a mental state like pain,<br \/>\nbut IF, AND ONLY IF there is a requisite complexity of<br \/>\norganized plant tissue which could serve to INSTANTIATE the<br \/>\nkinds of complex information processing that is prerequisite<br \/>\nto such higher order mental states as that of consciousness<br \/>\nand felt pain.  A mammalian brain is not necessary but an<br \/>\nimmensely complex hierarchically organized central processor<br \/>\nof some form would be.<\/p>\n<p>  Now, where is the morphological evidence that such a<br \/>\ncomplexity of tissue in plants exist?  Single cells or even<br \/>\naggregates of surrounding tissue is not sufficient for there<br \/>\nto be a functional state of felt pain any more than even<br \/>\ntodays complex integrated circuit chips evince consciousness<br \/>\nof any kind.  A lot is required and plants just don&#8217;t have<br \/>\nit.  This is not to say that they cannot exhibit complex<br \/>\nreactions, but we are simply OVER-INTERPRETING such<br \/>\nreactions when they are designated as &#8220;felt pain&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>With respect to all mammals, birds, and reptiles, we know<br \/>\nthat they possess a sufficiently complex neural structure to<br \/>\nenable felt pain plus an evolutionary need for such<br \/>\nconsciously felt states.  They possess complex and<br \/>\nspecialized organizations of tissue call sense organs, they<br \/>\npossess a specialized and complex structure for processing<br \/>\ninformation and for centrally orchestrating appropriate<br \/>\nbehaviours in accordance with mental representations,<br \/>\nintegrations and reorganizations of that information.  The<br \/>\nproper attribution of felt pain in these animals is well<br \/>\njustified, but it is not for plants by any stretch of the<br \/>\nimagination.<\/p>\n<p>                                         ted<\/p>\n<p>I.  REFERENCES<\/p>\n<p>[1] Cited from M. Pernick&#8217;s (1985) &#8220;A CALCULUS OF SUFFERING:<br \/>\n     PAIN, PROFESSIONALISM AND ANESTHESIA IN 19TH C.<br \/>\n     AMERICA.  New York: Columbia University Press.  Cited<br \/>\n     in turn in Bernard Rollin&#8217;s (1989), &#8220;THE UNHEEDED CRY:<br \/>\n     ANIMAL CONSCIOUSNESS, ANIMAL PAIN AND SCIENCE&#8221;.<br \/>\n     Oxford: Oxford University Press.  I would strongly<br \/>\n     recommend Rollin&#8217;s book as a very well argued and<br \/>\n     documented scholarly work on this important issue.<\/p>\n<p>[2] Burtt, E. A. (1924).  THE METAPHYSICAL FOUNDATIONS OF<br \/>\n     MODERN SCIENCE.  London: Routledge &amp; Kegan<br \/>\n[3] See Flanagan, Owen&#8217;s THE SCIENCE OF THE MIND (2n ed).<br \/>\n     Mass.: The MIT Press.  Provides for a good review of<br \/>\n     these issues.<br \/>\n        THE FALLACIES BEHIND THE PLANT PAIN ARGUMENT<\/p>\n<p>     Many are destined to reason wrongly, others, not to<br \/>\n     reason at all; and others, to persecute those who do<br \/>\n     reason.  (Voltaire)<\/p>\n<p>How, then, could anybody seriously entertain this humbug of plant<br \/>\npain?  Is it not remarkable that the most persistent and<br \/>\narticulate of the anti-AR would forward such contentious and<br \/>\nprima facie absurd claims.  But I guess it is not so remarkable<br \/>\nif we keep in mind their dogged intent to debunk the claims of<br \/>\nanimal rights, seemingly no matter at what cost to good sense,<br \/>\nrationality, or even established scientific fact.  Since, as we<br \/>\nhave seen, many would claim to be avowed ethical subjectivists,<br \/>\nat least when it is convenient to do so, I guess we should not be<br \/>\nsurprised that rationality and intellect is merely made sullied<br \/>\nhandmaidens for advancing their quest to discredit the case for<br \/>\nanimal rights.<\/p>\n<p>What follows, dear reader, are five of the common flaws of reason<br \/>\nmasquerading as arguments on behalf of plant rights.<\/p>\n<p>1.  Error #1: THE ARGUMENTUM AD IGNORANTIUM<\/p>\n<p>In the name of open-mindedness, we are asked to take seriously<br \/>\nthe claim of plant pain because the disbelievers and the<br \/>\nincredulous simply cannot prove that plants have no felt pain, or<br \/>\nthat our knowledge of such things as with many other things, is<br \/>\nsimply incomplete and uncertain.  For instance, it has been said<br \/>\nthat:<\/p>\n<p>     &#8220;The simple fact that &#8220;cruelty&#8221; cannot be DIS-proved<br \/>\n     introduces reasonable doubt into this argument.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Here we have the presumption of innocence found in a court of law<br \/>\nbeing inappropriately transferred to how scientific theories are<br \/>\nto be established or seriously entertained.  Normally, we would<br \/>\nargue on BEHALF of a scientific theory by presenting evidence for<br \/>\nit, not by pointing to our current lack of evidence unless one is<br \/>\narguing AGAINST a theory.  The plant pain promoters would turn<br \/>\nthe logic of scientific justification on its head.<\/p>\n<p>Now, in a general or ultimate sense it is TRIVIALLY TRUE that<br \/>\nthere is no final &#8220;proof&#8221; against such wild notions, but then<br \/>\nthere is also no ultimate proof against unicorns or ghosts.  It<br \/>\nis a well known INFORMAL FALLACY to conclude from a lack of<br \/>\ndisproof for something&#8217;s existence that it therefore exists or<br \/>\nmust be taken as a serious possibility for existence.  That is to<br \/>\nsay, it is simply false to argue that a proposition is true<br \/>\nsimply on the basis that it has not been proved false.  The idea<br \/>\nhere is to try to persuade people of a proposition which avails<br \/>\nitself of facts and reasons the falsity or inadequacy of which is<br \/>\nnot readily discerned.<\/p>\n<p>This flawed logic is technically referred to by logicians as the<br \/>\n&#8220;ARGUMENTUM AD IGNORANTIUM&#8221; (argument from ignorance).  This is a<br \/>\nlogically invalid argument, one that would exploit our common<br \/>\nignorance of things.  Now, you might ask, why shouldn&#8217;t we permit<br \/>\nspeculative theories to enter into our foundation of ethics.<br \/>\nConsider, however, the following example:<\/p>\n<p>     &#8220;no breath of scandal has ever touched the mayor,<br \/>\n     therefore she is MUST be incorruptibly honest&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>Maybe she is and maybe she is not, but our ignorance does not<br \/>\nestablish the truth or falsity of the conclusion that she is<br \/>\nincorruptibly honesty.  It is simply unfair to employ our<br \/>\nignorance as the sole basis of support for some social\/public<br \/>\nconcern.<\/p>\n<p>Similarly, what we DO KNOW about how animals experience pain and<br \/>\nsuffering is of relevance for a system of public ethics.  What we<br \/>\ndo know about plants is that they DO NOT HAVE a nervous system<br \/>\nnor a structure at the cellular level designed to process<br \/>\ninformation in a manner that would conceivably enable a conscious<br \/>\nsuffering of pain or discomfort.  What we do NOT YET KNOW about<br \/>\nthe workings of plants, of how consciousness in general is<br \/>\nenabled, or of how the universe as a whole works, is simply not<br \/>\nrelevant.  It is one thing to plea for open-mindedness, it is<br \/>\nquite another to promote intellectual promiscuity under the same<br \/>\nbanner.<\/p>\n<p>2.  Error #2:  EQUIVOCATION OF TERMS TO BOOTLEG A FALSE<br \/>\nCONCLUSION<\/p>\n<p>To understand this very slippery and flawed reasoning that<br \/>\nlogicians refer to as the informal fallacy of EQUIVOCATION,<br \/>\nconsider the following example:<\/p>\n<p>    &#8220;The end of a thing is its perfection;<br \/>\n     death is the end of life;<br \/>\n     hence, death is the perfection of life&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Note the two senses of the word &#8220;end&#8221; and how the last part of<br \/>\nthe sentence confuses them.  The word &#8220;end&#8221; may mean either<br \/>\n&#8220;goal&#8221; or &#8220;last event&#8221;.  Both meanings are legitimate, but to<br \/>\nconfuse the two in an argument is a fallacy.  In the example<br \/>\nabove we have two legitimate premises but a false conclusion that<br \/>\ndoes not follow from the premises, unless we remove the<br \/>\nequivocation and rewrite, say, the first premise as:<\/p>\n<p>         &#8220;The LAST EVENT of a thing is its perfection&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>But such a premise is patently false.<\/p>\n<p>This is exactly the kind of flawed argumentation that is<br \/>\noccurring with our promoters of plant pain.  For instance, the<br \/>\nterm &#8220;sentient&#8221; is deemed applicable to plants given ONE of its<br \/>\nmeanings to simply be the &#8220;responsiveness to sensory stimuli&#8221;.<br \/>\nAfter arguing further that what plants do at a molecular level<br \/>\ncan be deemed a &#8220;sensory response&#8221;, even thought they do not<br \/>\npossess specialized organizations of tissue called sense organs<br \/>\n(see error #3 below), they would then have us accept the<br \/>\ndesignation that plants are &#8220;sentient&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>Let us, for the sake of argument, accept their twisted meaning of<br \/>\nthe term of &#8220;sentient&#8221; to simply mean a functional reaction on a<br \/>\nbiochemical or cellular level to noxious or warning stimuli.  In<br \/>\nthis sense, they will argue that a plant can be said to be<br \/>\n&#8220;sentient&#8221;.  But at a different juncture they would then have us<br \/>\nconclude that because plants are indeed &#8220;sentient&#8221; they also<br \/>\n&#8220;feel&#8221; tissue injury or assault as &#8220;unpleasant&#8221;!  What the wily<br \/>\nplant pain promoters have done is simply bootleg a false<br \/>\nconclusion by switching between two quite difference meanings of<br \/>\nthe word &#8220;sentient&#8221;.  Permit me to lay it out:<\/p>\n<p>     premise 1:  Plants are responsive to &#8220;sense&#8221; impressions<br \/>\n     premise 2:  As defined in the dictionary, anything<br \/>\n                 responsive to sense impressions are sentient<br \/>\n     conclusion 1: Plants are sentient<\/p>\n<p>Note that premise 1 employs the word &#8220;sense&#8221; in a very<br \/>\nrestrictive manner to mean, for the plant pain promoters,<br \/>\n&#8220;reactions to certain stimuli&#8221;.  Now, for them to jump from this<br \/>\nminimal and idiosyncratic usage of &#8220;sentient&#8221; to the issue of<br \/>\nplant pain, our wily abusers of ordinary language IMPLICITLY are<br \/>\nforwarding something like the following argument.<\/p>\n<p>     conclusion 1:   Plants are sentient<br \/>\n     premise 3:  Sentient beings are conscious of sense<br \/>\n                  impressions<br \/>\n     conclusion 2: plants are conscious of sense impressions<\/p>\n<p>     premise 4:  To be conscious of a noxious stimuli is felt as<br \/>\n                  unpleasant<br \/>\n     conclusion 3: noxious stimuli to plants is unpleasant<\/p>\n<p>From unpleasant we then arrive at plant pain.  Of course, our<br \/>\nplant promoters will protest that they never said that plants<br \/>\nhave &#8220;consciousness&#8221; or &#8220;feel&#8221; pain, but only that they respond<br \/>\nin a manner similar to how we respond to pain.  Well, if that be<br \/>\ntruly the only claim and no more, then there is simply no<br \/>\nrelevance whatsoever of such an idiosyncratic notion plant &#8220;pain&#8221;<br \/>\nto the real ethical issue of animals suffering from felt pain.<br \/>\nIf it is not irrelevant, then we have either one of 2 results:<\/p>\n<p>     1.  equivocating on usage of &#8220;sentient&#8221; to bootleg a false<br \/>\n     conclusion.  This is a logical, not a semantic, fallacy.<\/p>\n<p>     2.  redefining what ordinary people mean by pain and<br \/>\n     suffering so that these terms no longer refer to a conscious<br \/>\n     awareness of pain\/suffering.  Now we have the error of<br \/>\n     irrelevant re-definition.  This brings us to the next error<br \/>\n     of reasoning.<\/p>\n<p>3.  Error #3:  LOGOMACHY OR &#8220;LET&#8217;S PLAY RE-DEFINITION&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>.  For most people, &#8220;sentient&#8221; designates the capacity to feel.<br \/>\nThat is, it would refer to a mental state, not a mere set of<br \/>\nbehaviours.  The Oxford English Dictionary list 3 core meanings,<br \/>\nof which the plant pain promoters will selectively choose only<br \/>\none, it being the most minimal definition, namely:<\/p>\n<p>     &#8220;def 2:  Phys.  Of organs or tissues: responsive to sensory<br \/>\n           stimuli.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Of course, they do not look any further.  If they were, they<br \/>\nmight be surprised to discover that the word &#8220;sensory&#8221; refers to<br \/>\nthe organs of &#8220;sense&#8221; or belonging to &#8220;sensation&#8221;  In turn, the<br \/>\nwords &#8220;sense&#8221; and &#8220;sensation&#8221; refers to the organs or mental<br \/>\nstates of perception, of psychical affection, of consciousness,<br \/>\netc.  Indeed, it is designated right at the beginning that<br \/>\n&#8220;sensation&#8221; is &#8220;now commonly the subjective element in the<br \/>\noperation of the senses; psychical feeling&#8221; (OED).  The meanings<br \/>\nthat predominate refer to mental states, and as we have noted,<br \/>\nall mental states are marked by consciousness.  Yet, our plant<br \/>\npain promoters ignore these obvious conventions of ordinary word<br \/>\nmeanings and would legislate their own.  And what motivates this<br \/>\nre-definition of our terms?  Certainly, not to promote clarity or<br \/>\nscientific accuracy.  If plants have &#8220;pain&#8221; but no consciousness<br \/>\nthen what are we to make of such muddy oxymorons as that of an<br \/>\n&#8220;unconscious pain&#8221; or an &#8220;unfelt pain&#8221;?<\/p>\n<p>If our promoters of plant pain weren&#8217;t so blunt serious, this<br \/>\nmight all be very funny.  Indeed, good puns and amusing gaffs<br \/>\nresult from an incongruous and inapposite word usage.  For<br \/>\nexample, someone once stole the seats from all the toilets in a<br \/>\nCanadian RCMP station.  The official press release by the<br \/>\nMounties said that they still had nothing to go on.  Methinks our<br \/>\npain promoters also have nothing to go on.<\/p>\n<p>4.  Error #4: REMOTE PARALLELS DO NOT MAKE FOR IDENTITIES<\/p>\n<p>Now, we have been entertained by our plant pain promoters of some<br \/>\ninteresting facts like that of oak trees diverting some of its<br \/>\nactivity to an increase production of tannic acid in respond to,<br \/>\nsay, a Gypsy moth invasion.  We are informed that:<\/p>\n<p>&gt;    There IS a parallel here, and the relative complexity of the<br \/>\n&gt;     sensory and interpretive mechanisms is irrelevant.<\/p>\n<p>The cruel fact remains, however, that PARALLELS DO NOT MAKE FOR<br \/>\nIDENTITIES.  Indeed, how something is achieved is just as<br \/>\nimportant as what is being achieved in order to properly<br \/>\nattribute there to be identity.  For animals, conscious<br \/>\nmotivation to avoid pain figures very large in how they would<br \/>\navoid or mitigate pain.  Pain is not something that is unfelt.<br \/>\nIt makes no sense to speak of &#8220;unfelt, unconscious pain&#8221;, yet our<br \/>\nplant pain promoters will insist upon there being a morally<br \/>\nrelevant parallel.<\/p>\n<p>To illustrate this point about identity, please permit me to work<br \/>\nfrom a different and more familiar example.  Now, it has been<br \/>\nargued that computers &#8220;think&#8221; as evidence by their capacity to<br \/>\nmanipulate symbols.  What shall we make of this?.<\/p>\n<p> Searle&#8217;s (1980) well-known Chinese room argument, however, at<br \/>\nleast makes clear that computers as syntactic engines are not<br \/>\n&#8220;understanders&#8221; of language even if they should one day be<br \/>\nsuccessful at translating from Chinese to English back to<br \/>\nChinese.  The subjective life and mind accompanying a person&#8217;s<br \/>\nperformances would seem to involve more than the computer&#8217;s<br \/>\nsuperior efficiency at manipulating data according to sequences<br \/>\nof algorithm-governed operations.  To even here speak of &#8220;rule-<br \/>\ngoverned operations&#8221; is misleading since it suggests we can talk<br \/>\nof these machines under the description of them &#8220;following<br \/>\nrules&#8221;.  Shanker (1987) makes the case that this violates our<br \/>\nlogical grammar of rule-following being a normative rather a<br \/>\nmechanical action and that it is an action predicated on some<br \/>\nnecessary minimal &#8220;understanding&#8221; of the rule.  Due to the<br \/>\nliteral ascription implied by this trope about computers, we are<br \/>\nlapsing into the same kind of conceptual confusion that would<br \/>\noccur if we were to literally ascribe to the members of a meeting<br \/>\nthat they were following Robert&#8217;s rules of order even though they<br \/>\nwere ignorant of, or did not understand the rules.  If we were to<br \/>\nsay such a thing, it would only be FIGURATIVE for simply saying<br \/>\nthat the members just happen to be inadvertently or unknowingly<br \/>\nabiding by Robert&#8217;s rules.  Notwithstanding the generosities of<br \/>\nidealization and wishful rhetoric, the computer analogue still<br \/>\nremains a metaphor and one that too often invites a misleading<br \/>\nanthropomorphism (Dreyfus, 1987).<\/p>\n<p>  Indeed, as the problems of the computer metaphor are becoming<br \/>\nmore widely appreciated and, as Michie (1982) notes, the former<br \/>\nheuristic value of the metaphor is being replaced by more exact<br \/>\nand fruitful formalizations and mathematics, the metaphor is<br \/>\nbeginning to become less frequent in the scientific prose of AI<br \/>\nscience itself.  While anthropomorphic speculation inaugurated<br \/>\nboth the animal and computer models, it is a circumspect<br \/>\nanthropomorphism tempered with naturalism that now appears to be<br \/>\nthe most fruitful approach for the understanding of animals<br \/>\n(Griffin, 1981), but it is an &#8220;objectivist&#8221;, or more precisely an<br \/>\nelectrical-mechanical and symbolic-mathematical prose, that is<br \/>\nmore fitting for AI.  With respect to plants, the language of<br \/>\nmental states is simply addleheaded and daft.<\/p>\n<p>5.  Error #5:  OVER-INTERPRETATION OF ESTABLISHED FACTS<\/p>\n<p>Now, we have been told that &#8220;there IS some evidence which shows<br \/>\nthat plants are &#8220;sentient&#8221;, in the broad sense of the word.&#8221;<br \/>\nHmm., more likely the narrow and twisted sense of the word.  But<br \/>\nagain, all we have is simply the interesting but morally<br \/>\nirrelevant facts about plants reacting to certain noxious<br \/>\nstimuli, or to the signalling molecules of other plants under<br \/>\nattack.  We are then asked about how this might be different from<br \/>\nour own sense of smell.  They would ask, &#8220;is this not equivalent<br \/>\nto plant sensation or of a plant sensing its environment?&#8221;  By<br \/>\nnow, we should be able to readily reply that such usage simply<br \/>\nstretches our ordinary definitions of the word &#8220;sense&#8221;.  Mere<br \/>\nbehavioural reactions and avoidance to certain stimuli is<br \/>\ninsufficient for the attributions of mental states like that of<br \/>\nperceptions and knowing sensation.  Again, we have either an<br \/>\nequivocation of usage to bootleg false conclusion, or we simply<br \/>\nhave a re-defninition of our ordinary meanings to something<br \/>\nidiosyncratic and  morally irrelevant.  HOW the plants do what<br \/>\nthey do is just as important as the function of what those<br \/>\nreactions subserve.<\/p>\n<p>Here is an example of over-interpretation that was due to this<br \/>\nerror of only observing the end result and not the means.  It was<br \/>\nonce thought that army ants were comprised of a strategic<br \/>\nmilitary column marching through the forest with direction,<br \/>\npurpose and foresight.  Well, it turns out that these ants simply<br \/>\nfollow the smell of the ants in front, and in turn the leading<br \/>\nants simply, in a somewhat random manner, lurch or are, pushed<br \/>\nforward.  If these ants were to be placed on a flat surface and<br \/>\nthe leading ants were to make a circle back to the rump end of<br \/>\nthe column, the marching column of ants would simply go around<br \/>\nand around until they died.  Where is the intentional purpose,<br \/>\nplanning and foresight?  There is no scouting ahead of the<br \/>\nterrain, no deliberative leadership, just a very simply mechanism<br \/>\nthat under normal conditions in the uneven terrain of the forest<br \/>\nworks very effectively to keep the ants ever moving forward in<br \/>\nsearch new food supplies.  The key point is that for many<br \/>\ncenturies people over-interpreted what was going on simply<br \/>\nbecause they only observed the overt functional behaviours and<br \/>\nnot the means and enabling conditions for those behaviours.<\/p>\n<p>6.  THE BELIEF IN NON-EXISTENT PAINS.  \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>Patient reader, permit me to finish with one last observation.<br \/>\nHypochondriacs are, as you know, people who believe in pains that<br \/>\nsimply don&#8217;t exist.  This much they have in common with our plant<br \/>\npain promoters.  Of course, hypochondriacs also are easily<br \/>\npersuaded that they must themselves have what even the most<br \/>\nsuperficial description of an illness would describe.  I&#8217;ll leave<br \/>\nit to the reader to decide if this parallel also applies to our<br \/>\nplant pain promoters.  Now, there is the amusing story of one<br \/>\nsuch person who after hearing a lecture on diseases of the<br \/>\nkidney, immediately phoned his doctor.  The good doctor patiently<br \/>\nexplained that in that particular disease there were no pains or<br \/>\ndiscomfort of any kind, whereupon our hypochondriac gasped, &#8220;I<br \/>\nknew it, my symptoms exactly!&#8221;  \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>                                          ted<\/p>\n<p>  REFERENCES<\/p>\n<p>Dreyfus, Hubert L. (1987).  Misrepresenting human intelligence.<br \/>\n     In Rainer Born (Ed.), Artificial intelligence: The case<br \/>\n     against.  London: Croom Helm.<br \/>\nGriffin, Donald R. (1981).  The question of animal awareness:<br \/>\n     Evolutionary continuity of mental experience (2nd ed.).<br \/>\n     California: William Kaufmann.  Another good book that I<br \/>\n     would highly recommend.<br \/>\nMichie, Donald (1982).  Machine intelligence and related topics.<br \/>\n     London: Gordon &amp; Breach Science Publishers.<br \/>\nSearle, J. (1980).  Minds, brains, and programs.  Behavioral and<br \/>\n     Brain Sciences, 3, 417-457.<br \/>\nShanker, S. G. (1987).  The decline and fall of the mechanist<br \/>\n     metaphor.  In Rainer Born (Ed.), Artificial intelligence:<br \/>\n     The case against.  London: Croom Helm.<br \/>\nTaylor, Charles (1964).  The explanation of behaviour.  London:<br \/>\n     Routledge &amp; Kegan Paul.<\/p>\n<div class='watch-action'><div class='watch-position align-right'><div class='action-like'><a class='lbg-style1 like-14014 jlk' href='javascript:void(0)' data-task='like' data-post_id='14014' data-nonce='41b6e01389' rel='nofollow'><img class='wti-pixel' src='https:\/\/www.graviton.at\/letterswaplibrary\/wp-content\/plugins\/wti-like-post\/images\/pixel.gif' title='Like' \/><span class='lc-14014 lc'>0<\/span><\/a><\/div><\/div> <div class='status-14014 status align-right'><\/div><\/div><div class='wti-clear'><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Newsgroups: rec.food.veg From: altar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Wayn Altar) Subject: Plant Pain Message-ID: Sender: news@sfu.ca Organization: Simon Fraser University,&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[7],"tags":[27],"class_list":["post-14014","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-othernonsense","tag-english","wpcat-7-id"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.graviton.at\/letterswaplibrary\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14014","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.graviton.at\/letterswaplibrary\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.graviton.at\/letterswaplibrary\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.graviton.at\/letterswaplibrary\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.graviton.at\/letterswaplibrary\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=14014"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.graviton.at\/letterswaplibrary\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14014\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":14015,"href":"https:\/\/www.graviton.at\/letterswaplibrary\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14014\/revisions\/14015"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.graviton.at\/letterswaplibrary\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=14014"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.graviton.at\/letterswaplibrary\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=14014"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.graviton.at\/letterswaplibrary\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=14014"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}